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Post by Domino369 on Mar 24, 2011 11:00:05 GMT -5
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! It'd be one thing to say that the disaster is postponing it, but for that long? T_T Some say it's due to Walpurgisnacht (Walpurgis Night) being around the end of April. In other news, Kore Wa Zombie Desuka 10 came out this week while it was postponed during spring break.
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Post by Laevatein on Mar 24, 2011 12:30:14 GMT -5
Good things come to those who wait? It's frustrating, because we would have originally finished Madoka this week (at least I would have), but if this delay gives SHAFT time to polish the episodes, then I say so be it. I'd rather have high quality episodes come out late than another Bakemonogatari episode 10 fiasco (for those who aren't in the know, this episode was notorious for having only about half the episode actually animated, which is actually quite bad, even considering the rest of the show).
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Post by chzrm3 on Mar 24, 2011 14:45:19 GMT -5
Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!
Is this because of the people who wanted the show pulled off the air? Or is it because the episodes just weren't ready yet?
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Post by Laevatein on Mar 24, 2011 22:44:39 GMT -5
Seems like a combination of both, actually.
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Post by Domino369 on Mar 24, 2011 22:54:03 GMT -5
I'm going to spontaneously combust... ... ... ...
*watches the season again for comfort*
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Post by pluffei on Mar 24, 2011 23:17:46 GMT -5
.... Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
But I agree with the quality over speed in this case. If anyone saw Tetsuwan Birdy (you should, if you haven't) in BOTH seasons there was always ONE episode that looked like it was animated by overworking 6-year-old children. I think in the second season there might've been two... I can't remember. So, the wait will be painful, yes, but I'll suck it up if it means the quality won't have to suffer.
And I really don't think it's because there aren't enough people to like it. I'm pretty sure Japan loves their cute little lolitas placed (pretty decently) in a serious plot. What otaku could turn this down?
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Post by Laevatein on Mar 25, 2011 8:16:21 GMT -5
Oh lord, that season 2 Birdy episode was pretty bad. Fortunately, the BRs fixed everything.
And it's not that otaku don't like it, it's just that other people want to ban the show because it's cruel for making little girls fight like that or something. Yeah, they don't know much about philosophy, it seems.
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Post by chzrm3 on Mar 25, 2011 9:03:10 GMT -5
I think it's actually funny, in a depressing kind of way - they're fine with all the magic girl shows that tell kids "as long as you believe in yourself and your friends, you can do anything!" But when a show's message (well, one of its messages) is "there are consequences to your actions, and sometimes doing the right thing isn't easy", everyone's like WOAH! Woah, no way. Scale that back.
And of course, head eating doesn't go over well with parents. : D
Still, the show shouldn't be banned. I think if it was just mindless brutality, it'd make sense to take a look at it and see if it was too harsh for little kids - but the nature of magic girl suffering in the show is so complex and multi-layered that it's hard to see how anyone could actually watch it and think it's a show worth banning.
My guess is parents and lobbyists just heard about the head chomping scene, got upset, and went to ban it. (Much like people heard about the romance scenes in Mass Effect and started proclaiming 'ITS A SEX SIMULATOR!!!!! WITH ALIENS NO LESS!!!!')
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Post by shnarvletoad on Mar 26, 2011 15:30:11 GMT -5
Still, the show shouldn't be banned. I think if it was just mindless brutality, it'd make sense to take a look at it and see if it was too harsh for little kids - but the nature of magic girl suffering in the show is so complex and multi-layered that it's hard to see how anyone could actually watch it and think it's a show worth banning. Amen. I hope to God it doesn't get cancelled-- it's such a quality program precisely because it challenges these exhausted magical girl paradigms. Then again, problems like these sometimes contribute to a higher degree of artistry-- look at the last two episodes of Eva. Who knows.
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Post by Laevatein on Mar 26, 2011 23:07:33 GMT -5
The magical girl genre has been changed up way too often to be able to say there are consistent tropes involved. I think I'm grossly oversimplifying this, but it seems Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura were the only two influential magical girl shows that played mostly everything straight. Aside from a few ones here and there (such as Shugo Chara) every magical girl show has usually tried something new. Utena did a complete deconstruction of the genre (or is that shoujo in general? Extremely hard to tell, since I haven't watched it yet, and can only go off of hearsay), Nanoha turned magical girls into a powerlevel actionfest, and so on and so on. Just felt like pointing that out. Doesn't stop me from thinking Madoka's extremely great though.
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Post by shnarvletoad on Mar 27, 2011 0:39:21 GMT -5
good points-- I can't say I'm anywhere nearly as well versed in the genre as you seem to be, I am merely speaking from my own frame of reference. Definitely true that every show has brought something new to the table-- I think it's just always a matter of degree and execution. I'm not sure if I'm going to properly articulate what I mean to say here, but... What I like so much about Madoka, I think, (and what might make it so shocking) is that its not so far from what are usually deemed core thematic and narrative devices so as to seem totally distinct from them... we can never completely disassociate it from the genre because it keeps coming back to certain touchstones, so when it then proceeds to complicate them, it becomes all the more startling. Even if we expect our expectations to be shattered, on at least some subconscious level we feel all the re-imaginings in full force because those expectations are continually reinforced. Madoka isn't in it's own little bubble-- it is a magical girl anime, it's just particularly rich and complicated. For instance... it's not uncommon for magical girls to have some kind of enchanted item that allows them to transform and grants them their powers. That's still there in Madoka. But in most magical girl anime (that I've seen or vaguely know about at least-- which, again, is probably not that many, so please call me out if I'm totally off base), it has to do with exteriority-- they change costumes, they have powers, but this is all projected outwards rather than inwards; change is on the surface level. In Madoka all of these surface changes remain true but are complicated because the magical item is rooted in interiority. Literally, the soul is transplanted from the body into the item (change happening on the deepest and most interior level possible), so that the relationship between the body and the item is inverted-- item becomes body and vice versa. But again, this inversion does not completely sever ties with genre tropes since the girls still transform and are granted powers. What's neat here is that they are in a sense always transformed, since their souls have been permanently relocated to the object that enables their exterior transformation. Not sure if any of that is coherent. I'm tired. And probably not sufficiently knowledgeable to be making such comments. Again, call me out if I'm totally off base.
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Post by Laevatein on Mar 27, 2011 1:31:23 GMT -5
No, I totally understand. It's interesting, because by situating the show in the frame of a magical girl show, and changing up the dynamics sort of hits too close to home. That causes the shock. It's really rather excellently done, especially considering today's anime market, where the vast majority of shows needs to have some sort of otaku-pleasing gimmick to even sell moderately well.
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Post by shnarvletoad on Mar 27, 2011 1:38:52 GMT -5
Exactly. You put it much more succinctly than I was capable of It's really rather excellently done, especially considering today's anime market, where the vast majority of shows needs to have some sort of otaku-pleasing gimmick to even sell moderately well. Right on. *coughkorewazombiedesukacough*
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Post by Laevatein on Mar 27, 2011 9:31:13 GMT -5
Actually, I think Zombie has some redeeming qualities. The main character does have some sort of sex drive, unlike most harem leads, who are usually denser than concrete. But it trades that with standard ecchi and stuff. So you're still right.
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Post by chzrm3 on Mar 27, 2011 10:26:39 GMT -5
Not sure if any of that is coherent. I'm tired. And probably not sufficiently knowledgeable to be making such comments. Again, call me out if I'm totally off base. I actually really enjoyed reading that. : D This is actually the first magical girl anime I've ever watched (I didn't even watch sailor moon as a kid), so I didn't realize that they usually have a magical item that lets them transform. I'm still aware of some of the cliches, like the friendly cat who gives everyone their magic powers, but even so it's always cool to read really deep analysis of this kind of stuff. I think it's also a credit to the show that someone like me, who really doesn't have any preconcieved notions about what's supposed to happen in a magic girl anime, can still watch it and enjoy it simply because it's great. I think that's what separates it from other deconstructive pieces, like school days. As an anime, school days really wasn't anything special - the romance wasn't that well done or even believable, and the 'funny' parts seemed kind of tacked on. It wasn't until the show started stripping away the tropes of harem romances that it got really interesting. With Madoka, I even enjoyed the first two episodes in their own right. It already seemed like a darker, deeper show, with characters a lot more interesting than the standard fare. (faire? fair?) I think my main problem with Zombie is that it's just been recycling jokes. The "I'm imagining a powerful necromancer as a really cute little sister, talking in a really cute voice!" gig was funny the first couple times, but by now it's been played and they just keep doing it. The masou shoujo transformation sequence is the same - it was funny the first time, but we don't need to keep seeing it. And there's a bunch of others, but I'm forgetting them. XD
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