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Post by Kinky Kevin on Nov 6, 2009 22:23:55 GMT -5
Is anyone else caught up with the series? I'm almost as confused as when I watched Higurashi no naku kori ni and I need people to talk to
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Post by sapphi on Nov 7, 2009 1:21:06 GMT -5
I'm only on ep 8 of Umineko, but I can PM you huge spoilers/explanation of Higurashi in terms of the conversation in ep 6, it has massive spoilers from Higurashi and Kai though. Also this speculation really helps: forums.gotwoot.net/showthread.php?t=17305 (I am trying not to spoil myself though!)
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Post by Kinky Kevin on Nov 7, 2009 2:32:27 GMT -5
Might as well post them here I put the spoilers in the topic for a reason. My friend said in Higurashi Rei, Rika talks about the blue-haired witch that looks like her. Bernkastel? I can't remember the spelling. Time to catch up on it ^-^
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Post by sapphi on Nov 7, 2009 7:50:44 GMT -5
As you wish:
In the context of the conversation (ep 5) in Umineko by Ryllharu:
The blue haired witch is Bernkastel. Her real name is Furude Rika from Higurashi, though I believe her name in the Umineko universe is Frederica Bernkastel. You don't find out until season 2 (Kai), but the common thread in every alternate universe is that Rika is killed every single time, a week or less after the festival in 1983. Through the assistance of a minor god, she is revived time and time again over nearly 100 years of repeated time, each time there is a slight variation in the world she goes to, but every time she is still killed.
The killer is Takano Miyo (Lambdadelta, and the picture in my avatar). She was assumed dead on the night of the festival, but she actually controls a powerful paramilitary force and hides out during most of the events in order to vindicate her adoptive father's research on a parasite that makes the villagers of the town psychotic when they are away from the town for an extended length of time. Rika is the "Queen Carrier," and killing her would make the entire town psychotic, thus proving the existence of the parasite. There are a ton of politics behind all of this on every side imaginable, but they don't have any bearing on the conversation between the witches.
Where "Lady Lambdadelta" comes into play, and as Beatrice explained, is that Takano's determination to prove her adoptive father correct is so overwhelmingly strong, that no matter what anyone does, Rika's death is 100% sure to occur. That kind of power is very similar to Beatrice and Rika's.
Rika (Bernkastel) defeated Takano by repeating the same weeks of that summer over and over so many thousands of times that just enough uncertainty came into play that Rika's fate might be changed. In the final scene of the second season, it appears that Rika has finally aged into adulthood, and has become a powerful witch in her own right who can slide between "shards" of existence or replay them as many times as she wants until she gets bored. She can go backward in time as far as she wishes. In Umineko, Rika (Bernkastel) is older than her Higurashi incarnations, a teenager, and has developed her powers sufficiently to travel to other shards and worlds of her own will. At the end, she appears to be telling Battler that she will share a bit of her power so that they can play it all over again and potentially change the outcome, so long as Rika (Bernkastel) remains entertained.
Beatrice comes into play because she is the Endless Witch, who like Rika (Bernkastel) can repeat things over and over. But more like Takano (Lambdadelta), Beatrice will kill the same people over and over and over again using her powers. However, unlike Takano, while particular people's deaths are not absolutely guaranteed, Beatrice can simply kill them in whatever manner as many times as she wishes.
Battler, with a little assistance from Rika (Bernkastel) and Beatrice's agreement, will be permitted to challenge Beatrice and disprove her existence and survive the encounter.
I think that covers it.
Also noteworthy is in that final scene of Higurashi Kai, where you see a very adult looking Rika, presumed to be Bernkastel now, who visits a very young Takano, and changes the past entirely, eliminating the horrible event that ruined Takano's life forever, and lead to her crusade that required Rika's death. __________________----------
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Post by Kinky Kevin on Nov 7, 2009 18:39:58 GMT -5
I wonder how true that speculation is though :/ If Higurashi and Umineko take place in the same universe, what's the chronological order? And some funny pics I stumbled upon: So far, at the end of episode 19, I have these questions which are coming in no particular order: 1. In the third game, why did Beatrice give young Eva her powers? Was it part of her plan to trick Battler or was Eva's rebellion unexpected to her? And on a sidenote, how the hell did Eva's younger self manifest a physical form? 2. Why is every game different? 3. Since every game is different, why is it that the future that Ange comes from stems from the third game? aka when Eva goes crazy and kills the rest of the survivors. Why didn't it use the first or second game's story? 4. Why isn't Eva arrested in the third story? I mean she came back as the only sole survivor of a murder mystery on the island, and there's no suspicion on her? wut1?!? 5. This isn't really a question but he second game got me so confused because of this. From what I can tell, everyone who is outside of the game can interact with the "chessboard" by going on it at will, but Battler can't. Hence, why Ronove "told" Eva that there was a game going on and Beatrice tried tricking Battler by going in-game and changing things. 6. Since when did pump-action rifles exist? I probably have a lot more questions that I can't think of right now. My mind is just blown after watching this.
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Post by sapphi on Nov 7, 2009 19:14:35 GMT -5
You, definitely, definitely need to post those questions on the GW board.
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Post by Kinky Kevin on Nov 9, 2009 0:39:33 GMT -5
Sorry, I just find the cover art so cute Hanyuu's song still beats Maria's though <3
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Post by MetalGearSilux on Nov 9, 2009 20:03:41 GMT -5
Wow. I guess we have similar questions Kevin on what is going on. Wait until the other club members get to episode 19 like us. I wonder what their reaction will be.
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Post by Kinky Kevin on Nov 16, 2009 3:27:27 GMT -5
More questions after watching 20:
-How did Maria get magic and when in the story's timeline did she meet Beatrice?
-WHY DID SAKUTARO HAVE TO BE A CATBOY? T_T
-The floating bottles are a mystery, but I think they come from the first and second game since Maria died early in the third. The question is, since the present they're in took on the third game's ending, why does it have the first/second game's bottles?
-The bottles were said to have different handwritings than Maria's actual handwriting, but the dude in the suit said that they were the same as the handwriting in the diary that Ange has. Something's up...
-If Battler wins and goes back to 1986, wouldn't that mean that the Ange in 1998 will get Battler back too since there's *supposedly* only one timeline in this story. If there isn't, then that solves a few mysteries.
Arghhhhh, I can't wait till this is over. Hopefully it won't end abruptly like Higurashi did.
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Post by Kinky Kevin on Nov 22, 2009 19:56:02 GMT -5
21 was pretty interesting, not much advancing in the story though. Rosa is such a bitch >:O Btw, this pic made me lol like a retard
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